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Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength

by libdemusa, Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:54:28 PM EST

We are on May 25th, the media & virtually All Democratic Party leaders have all but declared our 2008 Nominee in the honorable Senator Barack Obama.

Financially, our nominee as reported by the mainstream press is about to break historic fund raising records never seen before.

The two most politically watched shows, MSNBC & CNN have both unofficially declared Sen. Obama as the 2008 democratic nominee.

The liberal television, print & online media have sharpened their criticism of Senator Clinton to withdraw.

The pressure is on.

The positioning for a running mate has begun. Signs of some Clinton democrats folding their tent & uniting behind Obama for the sake of party loyalty have begun.

With All that said .....

Every Single poll shows the Worst Republican Party image & branding in the last 40 years. The Highest Negative rating of the GOP in the last 40 years.

Every single poll shows democrats poised to gain even more house & senate seats in November. Its only a question of how much gain democrats would achieve.

With All that perfect background for any Democrat, there is One Thing that Stands Out the Most. While the MSM is trying hard to Ignore it, more & more journalist & political commentators are pointing it out.

What stands out ?

No need to look far. Look on the top of this page, your left & your right. No need to seach far. Go to the latest Gallup polls.
No need to waste time. Look at state by state pollings on RealClearPolitics.com

What are two things that standout in this heavily favored democratic season ?

One, an Unbelievable Weak Nominee in Barack Obama. A nominee who regardless of your political persuasion ( except his left wing supporters in blinders) would see a Very Likely Potential of Losing the Electoral map in November. Some would even be more direct in predicting a major electoral defeat.

Inspite of the Entire Media outlet, Huge Financial Advantage, combined with a damaged, hurt, battered Republican Party- their nominee Sen. John McCain is in good shape state by state to win in November.

Lets be blunt. If the GOP were even just a few percentages higher, Obama would be losing today by a landslide. ( and he still may in Nov.) That's how weak this guy is.

Two, an Amazing display of strenght by Senator Clinton. No matter how much the media, the party elders, black leaders,& the liberal left wing base has demonized this candidate, no matter how short on funds she has..... ...

If we had the election today, Senator Clinton would win by a dramatic landslide over John McCain by 100 to 135 electoral vote margins.

It would be the largest democratic victory in the last 50 years.

While some of her supporters have been convinved by party leaders & the media to join & unite behind Obama, she is still on top.

As a White male union member & lifelong democrat who lives & works in a state that will decide this election in November, I have to say....

This is the worst decision ever made by "party elders" since Dukakis & Mondale.

When the nominee has received less votes among registered democrats, he deserves to lose in November.

I am all for civil rights & the advancement of all minorities.

But on this one, I stand with millions of democratric whites, latinos, asians & even some blacks in declaring...

choosing to nominate a much weaker candidate for fear of offending segments of the black electorate is way to high a price to pay.

Jesse & Al must be jumping up & down.

But come November, millions of us, true democrats will have a tough choice. Many of us will have to do what we did 20 years ago.

Ask Dukakis & Mondale- they will tell you.

Tags: Clinton, Obama, Power (all tags)

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When he stops being tag teamed (none / 0)

by Clinton and McCain his numbers are sure to increase.

by parahammer on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:56:48 PM EST

Re: When he stops being tag teamed (1.50 / 2)

that's a pipe dream, he benefits from Hillary, who can be blamed for his weakness. He called out John over his refusal to vote for the increase in vet education benefit, and John spanked him. We at the very least need to see this until August, and find out what John can do to him. Hilary isn't running against him anymore, she's only running for herself. All my criticisms of him have been about how he conducts the primary, none of us go after his polices or his experience anymore, that's tired, and too late, I only diss him for the way he's managing his campaign against her. He's had a very free ride, and McCain isn't going to unleash his attack machine while she's there to pick up the pieces, he'll wait until there is nothing we can do about it. This is a train wreck.

by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:18:38 PM EST
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Anna... (2.00 / 2)

He called out John over his refusal to vote for the increase in vet education benefit, and John spanked him. We at the very least need to see this until August, and find out what John can do to him.

Sorry, but why are you on a first name basis with McCain?

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:21:47 PM EST
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Re: Anna... (none / 0)

no, i don't know Barack or Hillary either, but I had a very strange conversation today with an old college buddy who's a dem and voted for Barack. She said she likes McCain. He's likable. His retort to Barack was effective, it was out of Barack's playbook, he said, I don't appreciate being lectured about veterans by someone who never saw fit to serve his country in the military, or words to that effect. He paraphrased Barack's usual retort, he's not as dumb as he looks.

by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:26:29 PM EST
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Re: Anna... (none / 0)

I thought his retort was ridiculous and nothing like the kind of thing Obama would say. Rephrased, it's

"I am a veteran, so I am immune to criticism when I oppose legislation allowing new vets from benefiting in the way I did when I was their age. You can't say anything when I shit on my fellow veterans because I got tortured."

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by semiquaver on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:55:08 PM EST
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One has to wonder, if the Dems have such a big (none / 0)

advantage, why is Obama getting so much money NOW, when he is running against Hillary Clinton, and her healthcare plan. Wouldn't big donors who wanted Dems to win give money to both candidates now and then give BIG to the Dem nominee after the convention?

I think the driving force behind Obama's fundraising is the desire to defeat universal healthcare. To issue Hillary a sound defeat that will then be held up by the right as a proxy referendum on universal healthcare, just as the 1996 midterm election of Republicans is.

This is a huge issue for the right as we REALLY need universal healthcare and will need it more and more because those good jobs are not going to come back without a lot of work. Its going to take a LONG time to turn this economy around. Neither McCain or Obama, I dont think, are up to it.

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.

by architek on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:59:56 PM EST
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Re: One has to wonder, (none / 0)

I'm more cynical, I think it's the two different administrations and who will have a financial stake, right now he's looking like he winner and money goes to the winner. the bigger one is why she's continuing to get support, usually when one is considered unbeatable, the other's funds dry up. John McCain was on his way to broke, but as soon as he started winning, support came out from under rocks. The pugs want to win the GE, they don't want either. the pug money guys prefer her to him, because of health care, and they see her as more effective in passing liberal legislation, but assure yourself, they'd prefer John. It seems nearly certain that John will choose Mitt and that will help him with his new base, pug business types. It's still a train wreck, but if I'm wrong I'll be happy and if his ardent supporters are wrong we'll all be very unhappy for four more years.

by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:06:27 PM EST
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Re: When he stops being tag teamed (none / 0)

He's had a very free ride

Diarist, meet Credibility. Credibility, diarist.

by deminva on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:40:39 PM EST
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Re: When he stops being tag teamed (none / 0)

yeah, hard to believe, I know. Thus far he's had problems of his own making, and not much damage, but soon they will be made up for him and he'll be unrecognizable. McCain hired that swift-boat team five months ago, long before he had it sewn up, and they're working up some goodies for us. Stay tuned, and fasten your seat-belts, it's going to be Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.

by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:46:33 PM EST
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Re: When he stops being tag teamed (none / 0)

Is this more irony?

Every day, there are diaries warning us about Rezko!, Muslim!, Rev. Wright!, Indonesian Madrassa!, and Chicago terrorists!.

by deminva on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:56:06 PM EST
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Re: Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength (2.00 / 1)

Wow. What an incredibly unbiased and factual diary.

Here, I think you'll need these.

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:58:54 PM EST

Re: Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength (2.00 / 2)

Why are Some random Words in this Diary capitalized and Other words are Not. I don't Get it. Please Explain it To me. Thank You.

From a Hillary supporter: We laughed as that became our mantra - "Barack can't win!"..... ....."he can go to hell and i'll pay for his way there."

by Cochrane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:01:11 PM EST

Re: Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength (none / 0)

I think his/her caps lock key is broken. It was SUPPOSED to be IN ANGRY style.

Can't rec or rate -- next username, please!

by neeborMolgula on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:06:04 PM EST
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Re: Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength (2.00 / 3)

The liberal television, print & online media

Uhh... Don't we support the "liberal media"? Don't we long for an actual "liberal media"? Aren't we, you know, liberals?

Note to trolls - you can't use the same phrases you use at redstate.com here - we know what they mean.

John McCain

by Mandoliniment on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:02:57 PM EST

Re: Unbelievable Weakness (none / 0)

it's irony, the so-called liberals have decided to decide for us. Great, with liberals like ours, who needs conservatives.

by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:20:03 PM EST
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"Lets be blunt." (1.50 / 2)

This is an absolutely terrible diary. I may not agree with people like Alegre, but at least they can form their thoughts into coherent, grammatically correct sentences.

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by semiquaver on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:11:32 PM EST

Re: Repuglican troll. (none / 0)

"liberal media" is as close as it comes to an actual admission of GOP-ness. It could only be better if this were crossposted on Redstate.

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by semiquaver on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:13:09 PM EST

Re: Repuglican troll. (none / 0)

unless we're talking irony?

by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:20:51 PM EST
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I don't see it. (none / 0)

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by semiquaver on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:22:27 PM EST
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Good Grief (none / 0)

How many time are we going to see this weak case. A Case, which quotes May polls to predict a November result. History and even this primary have show that even a poll this week may mean nothing next. It certainly has no basis in predicting the outcome of a November election. Polls change, the EV map changes.

Pew Research has a good article on this -

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/410/how-reli able-are-the-early-presidential-polls

This holds true for both camps.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:17:36 PM EST

Re: Good Grief (none / 0)

this is the convention argument, she's creaming McCain and he's losing to McCain now, but come August he may be ahead, and we need to know that before we make hasty pudding.

by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:22:16 PM EST
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Re: Good Grief (none / 0)

I don't think it holds as a convention argument either for the simple reason that the Supers know these numbers are meaningless.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:41:36 PM EST
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Re: Good Grief (none / 0)

well, I thing you're wrong about the super's. But, no problem, we'll both get to find out at the same time.

by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:42:49 PM EST
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Re: Good Grief (none / 0)

Now that is a fact :)

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:18:26 PM EST
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O noes... teh CONCERN!!!! (2.00 / 1)

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:20:32 PM EST

Re: Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for your concern.

Next!

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:56:41 PM EST

Re: Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength (2.00 / 3)

Wow, what a huge difference!

by mattw on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:59:56 PM EST

Republican Troll signs (2.00 / 1)

Why are some people so absolutely fascinated with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

It's bizarre.

And shouldn't "I am all for the advancement of civil rights & the advancement of minorities" be a given on a progressive website?

Next you'll be saying something offensive, but telling us it's alright because you have black friends.

by emptythreatsfarm on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:11:25 PM EST

Re: Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength (none / 0)

I always dislike these sorts of posts and arguments because they rest on a few assumptions:

1) This is a Democratic year for the White House. Some offices tend to duck traditional Democratic/Republican trends. For example, no matter how Republican the electorate gets, the mayor of Philadelphia or New York will be a Democrat. When you look at the respective maps, Senator Clinton gets pretty much the traditional Kerry map plus Florida and Michigan. I have a feeling that based on past performances, these voters will end their short consideration of Senator Clinton. Similarly, I would bet money that the NC and CO flirtations with Obama will end and we'll end up at the Gore/Kerry map.

What this assumption leads to is the fact that an Obama campaign with less than a 50% shot of winning automatically does not make Senator Clinton MORE electable.

2) The primary winner will win states that he/she wins. I really think that demography is destiny so I would not bet any amount of money, for example, that Obama would win Montana or Wyoming in the general anymore than Senator Clinton would win West Virginia or Kentucky.

3) The 51% "under no circumstances" number from very early in the process means nothing. I tend to believe that this number is pretty static because this was after years of Senator Clinton.

4) The strength of the "non-Obama" voters is greater than the strength of the "non-Clinton" voters. First, I know that there are more "non-Obama" voters. I'm not saying that necessarily Obama supporters will feel stronger, but that demographically I really have a hard time believing that 527 Roe v. Wade ads can close this. The non-Clinton vote should be a little scarier because of the exposure she has.

The bottom line: while I would put Senator Obama's chances at 45%, I would require better odds to bet on Senator Clinton. I think ultimately "Republican Genuine Draft" sells to the demographics in crucial states better. Please don't troll rate this analysis. I don't think that Democrats need to go to the "Terry MacAuliffe" school of analysis(that your analysis should reflect your interest) to be a good Democrat.

Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.

by AZphilosopher on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:16:09 PM EST

Re: Unbelievable Weakness, Amazing Strength (none / 0)

On 4 it should read "cannot".

Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.

by AZphilosopher on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:17:09 PM EST
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"[N]o matter how Republican... (none / 0)

...the electorate gets, the mayor of Philadelphia or New York will be a Democrat."

Except, of course, for the last two mayors of New York, who were both Republicans.

If you want to convince your reading audience, it helps to know what you are talking about.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:36:27 PM EST
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Re: "[N]o matter how Republican... (none / 0)

Fine, how about Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Boston for starters?

Don't let the cognitive limitations of the ARGUER get in the way of the strength of the ARGUMENT.

People have cognitive limitations and at points. There is a cognitive process that ended up with New York erroneously being on the list. While not the best thing for making an impression, please consider the Argument.

This sort of thing happens all the time in Philosophy, if the phenomenon is robust enough, the specific examples don't matter.

Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.

by AZphilosopher on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:35:15 PM EST
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Re: "[N]o matter how Republican... (none / 0)

Baltimore since 1967.

Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.

by AZphilosopher on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:49:16 PM EST
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Disgusting and nonsensical (none / 0)

Obama is not being nominated to appease the black community... your racism is just shining through there

he won..... fair and square.

This crybaby whining is pathetic

by CaptainMorgan on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:23:42 PM EST