Great! Obama Just Expanded Map for McCain & GOP

One of Obama's main "Selling Point" to democratic voters this primary season has been that he would Expand the Electoral Map in November.

Virtually All of his supporters have Repeated that point again & again & again.

After watching Obama's Foreign Relations adviser interviewed on  today, the interviewer ended up catching Obama's representative almost speechless on this supposed Map Expansion

Yesterday, it was CNN who also touched this issue as well.

On two occassions, Obama surrogates were asked, " What States would Obama win in order to beat McCain.

On both occassions, the states mentioned were CO,VA,WI,OR & IA.

Interviewer pointed out that two polls in the last 60 days showed McCain beating Obama by double digits in VA & that VA has not voted for a democrat in 44 years.

The Obama surrogate could only say, " we are confident in Sen. Obama's strength" in November.

Then interviewer pointed out that isn't IA,OR & WI blue states that Al Gore won & should really be in the bag for any democrat who hopes to have a shot at being competitive.

The words were, " Is it fair to say that if Sen. Obama hopes to win the White House, blue states like IA,OR,WI should already be a given. In fact, states like PA,NJ,MA,RI & NH - all states that were carried by Kerry should already be a given for any Democrat hoping to win.

The question was repeated, " What Group of battleground states can Obama win & is he confident about holding Blue states like PA,MI,NJ,NH,RI,WI ????  There was a vague no answer !

So viewers watching this interview comes out of this with one
Ugly, Disappointing, Disgusting Reality!

Yes, Sen Obama just Expanded the Electoral Map!

He freeking Expanded the 2008 Electoral Map for the John McCain & the Republican Party!

Thanks to the Electability power of Obama,

Blue states like PA,MI,NJ,RI,MA,NH WI,OR,MN,IA are now in the Map for Republicans.

While states like OH,FL, & the entire south are OUT of the Map for Democrats.

We just nominated a worse version of John Kerry.

What a Party! Only in America!

We had 3 candidates in January 2008. Obama, Clinton & Edwards.

The left base of the party decided to choose the
WEAKEST CANDIDATE of the three !

What an unbelievable group of people.

I guess the youth of the democratic party never experienced the days of Mondale & Dukakis



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foolish padawans (2.00 / 2)

I love this.  Some people think that all it takes is one time to "expand" the EC map.  Baby, it takes more than one candidate and one election cycle to do it.

and voters get pretty pissed off when they are taken for granted.

look at MA.  It could go red in november


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:09:18 PM EST

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 2)

Agreed - I don't think the Obama campaign is taking any state for granted - see the 50 state registration drive. Right now, we essentially have a  3 candidate race. Wait until its down to two, and things will change.

Look at Bush's approval rating, and Krugman's latest column as well..


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:12:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Are you saying we can take winning for granted? (none / 0)

That is a surefire way to lose.

BTW, I totally agree. I thought Edwards would have been the stronger of the three, I think Hillary Clinton is #2, and I think Obama is #3 for electability.

What a mess..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:34:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are you saying we can take winning for granted (none / 0)

No, I'm saying that I think any Dem would have won, but that Obama will win by the most. Edwards may have been more electable - I'm not sure.

I've given my reasons elsewhere, but I think his candidacy's core message will play defense in a way such that he won't have to. See the ABC debate, and the 15,000 comments ABC got on it's registration required website from all sorts of supporters.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:48:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

I love this.  Some people think that all it takes is one time to "expand" the EC map.  Baby, it takes more than one candidate and one election cycle to do it.

Yep, you're right. 2000 and 2004, and the last eight years of George Bush have made it incredibly easy for us.

and voters get pretty pissed off when they are taken for granted.

Interesting you mention this, given you're a Clinton supporter. I'd say this is precisely the reason she's not going to be the next President of the United States.

ook at MA.  It could go red in november

Hmm. See, the bad thing about making unsupported points is that when they're wrong, you look foolish. Like right now. Clinton and Obama trounce McCain in Massachusetts right now- Clinton's ahead by more, but really, Obama's comfortably outside the MOE.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:16:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 2)

SUSA had a poll in April that had Obama and McCain TIED.

I don't know what the current status is on that, but to state that I just made an unsupported point is just plain BS


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:32:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

No. Actually, by definition, if you'd have mentioned SUSA in your original post, it'd have been a supported point. But you didn't. QED.

RCP has him three points nationally over McCain right now, and MA, let's see. The mean data (polling composite) I've got here says 50/46 Obama/McCain, 4 undecided. But MA hasn't gone Republican since Reagan. Again, not to take them for granted, but given Kennedy and Kerry's support, I'm not real concerned about MA.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:36:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 2)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=692c0281-9ce4-4c71-8e4f-b970d4 ea8193
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=d328d259-7c45-49ff-a14e-c14c18 2cb9c7

last one is within margin of error.

my goodness, lots of people here on this board from MA have been citing this polling.

oh and how did Kennedy & Kerry support for Obama work out in the primary for him?  Double digit loss.

the problem is that MA is competitive and Obama will now have to spend money in a state that was bluer than blue if Hillary was the nominee (because she beats McCain in double digits here)


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:42:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (none / 0)

Sorry. Super Tuesday came too fast and furious for Obama to get as much traction as he might've otherwise. Seems he'd have won CA if not for early voting, and would handily win it right now, for instance. But go ahead and equate primary results with general election results.

You're pulling SUSA, and I'm now a bit skeptical of them, considering they pulled, what? Dead last in NC/IN? I'm doing a composite RCP poll.

Nonetheless, as I said, you're not comparing apples to apples here, and once we move onto the general election campaign, I think it will become more evident.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:50:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

You love the idea of a Republican president for another four years?


by letterc on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:18:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

I love the foolishness of some Obama surrogates who can't back anything up.


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:44:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (none / 0)

This was a foreign policy wonk, not an electoral strategy wonk.

It's nice (no, not really) that you like to see people get blindsided, it must make watching the idiotic talking heads shows a lot of fun for you. If you love gotcha politics, then you can be happy living in a country with a broken system of media and elections, something I have a harder time doing.


by letterc on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:42:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

look at MA.  It could go red in november

I think it's important for people harboring this opinion to get it out there so the rest of us know not to take anything else the writer says seriously.


by RP McMurphy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:18:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

susa had a poll this year that showed obama vs mccain TIED in MA

sorry if you missed that poll result


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:36:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

susa had a poll this year that showed obama vs mccain TIED in MA

sorry if you missed that poll result

I saw that poll result but it's idiotic to believe that MA will go Republican this fall.


by RP McMurphy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:14:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

and it is believable to think that redder than red states going blue in Nov - because that is what the Obama camp is declaring.


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:19:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (none / 0)

and it is believable to think that redder than red states going blue in Nov - because that is what the Obama camp is declaring.

I haven't heard any such declaration from the Obama camp. People have said that Obama might be able to carry Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, etc., but these are hardly "redder than red states." The equivalent of your idiotic assertion would be for me to claim that Wyoming was going Democratic in 1980.


by RP McMurphy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:34:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 1)

RP,

What idiotic ?

MA has had No Problems electing Republican Governors.

Republicans carried MA in 80 & 84. Would have carried it in 88 if it was any other dem than hometown boy Dukakis.

MA,NH,RI & NJ will be the BIGGEST SHOCK of the 2008 Primary!

Watch & Learn!


by libdemusa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:49:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (none / 0)

MA has had No Problems electing Republican Governors.

I'm sure you can see the difference between Weld, Romney, etc. and the national GOP standard-bearer. Or maybe not.

Republicans carried MA in 80 & 84. Would have carried it in 88 if it was any other dem than hometown boy Dukakis.

What didn't Ronald Reagan carry in '80 and '84(answer: MN;)? And no, MA wasn't going Republican in 1988 in the absence of Dukakis. If you want to understand what the Democratic base states are, just look at a map of 1988 or 2000 or 2004. MA is perhaps the most Democratic state in the entire country. They have gay marriage for f-ing christsakes, and not a single member of their congressional delegation is a Republican!!!

MA,NH,RI & NJ will be the BIGGEST SHOCK of the 2008 Primary!

I think we've already had primaries in those states...

Watch & Learn!

Pfff.


by RP McMurphy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:42:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 2)

Oh, and thanks for the condescending dig there in your title line. Us Obama supporters will get off your lawn posthaste.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:24:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 3)


 He must be thinking about the 57 state strategy.
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:28:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Massachusetts? Uh, no. (2.00 / 1)

Massachusetts, my state, will remain solidly blue, thanks. Idiot.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:29:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Massachusetts? Uh, no. (2.00 / 1)

MA is my state too, idiot.

and susa did a poll this year showing McCain tied with Obama

MA is going to be competitive now, thanks to Obama.


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:36:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Massachusetts? Uh, no. (2.00 / 1)

here is that poll

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=d328d259-7c45-49ff-a14e-c14c18 2cb9c7

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=692c0281-9ce4-4c71-8e4f-b970d4 ea8193
within margin of error.

Hillary beats the pants off of McCain


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:39:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

One poll. SUSA. (none / 0)

Uh huh.  Massachusetts is not going to McCain.  Your whole diary is foolish.  


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:53:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Apologies. Mistook you for the diarist. (none / 0)

It was your comment that was foolish.  The diary was foolish too, but it's not yours.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:54:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Apologies. Mistook you for the diarist. (2.00 / 1)

I cited a poll - you can call the poll foolish, if you'd like.


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:24:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Apologies. Mistook you for the diarist. (2.00 / 1)

I will eat my barn if Massachusetts goes red this fall.

Piece by piece.

Including cobwebs, rats, and that old pile of musty hay in the northwest corner.

I will have pictures taken of said act and post them right here.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:42:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Apologies. Mistook you for the diarist. (2.00 / 1)


 I can hardly wait.
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:53:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Apologies. Mistook you for the diarist. (none / 0)

Indeed. I grew up in Mass, now live in Colorado. The vibe in both places is so decidedly anti-Bush that I'd eat my car, piece-by-piece, if either goes Repub.

Those who are wringing their hands about our impending loss are nothing but fear-mongers. Yes, we've got a lot of work to do and can't take anything for granted, but to think that we're entering the general election at a disadvantage is to really have a blurred view of the political landscape.


by PhilFR on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:49:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (2.00 / 2)

The younger, idealistic  Obama supporters should certainly be forgiven, but the old Dem leadership guys -- what is with them?! They should know better is a big understatement.  I've been shaking my head in bafflement throughout this primary season over their utter stupidity.


by moevaughn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:37:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: foolish padawans (none / 0)

Maybe, just maybe, they see something you don't?

Something to consider.


by PhilFR on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:50:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! Obama Just Expanded Map (none / 0)

So Obama's FOREIGN RELATIONS adviser is an expert on electoral strategy....

Right...

Also, wait until the nomination is completely certain - you'll see some gains.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:09:19 PM EST

Have you seen the polls in Montana, Alaska, (none / 0)

North Dakota?


by bobdoleisevil on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:15:45 PM EST

Dear lord (2.00 / 1)

We need less panic attacks and more courageous Democrats.

McCain leads the policy vacuum that is the GOP.  He fully embraces the disastrous Bush legacy.  The Republicans are wrong on every major issue of the day, and the American people know it.

Obama is going to do great in November.  Bellyaching over electoral maps will the Democratic primary is still ongoing is foolish.

Buck up!  We'll be more than fine.


by Slim Tyranny on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:15:57 PM EST

Re: Expanding the map (2.00 / 1)

The left base supported Edwards.

Why would anyone ask Obama's foreign relations advisor about Obama's electoral strategy?

From Kos's analysis of Blue States Obama and Clinton would have to fight to defend versus Red States that Obama or Clinton would have a fighting chance to take:

           Blue States       Red States
          Obama  Clinton    Obama  Clinton
McCain v.
                    CT        AK
                    HI                AR
            MI      MI        CO      
            NH      NH        FL      FL
                    OR        IN      IN
            PA      PA        IA      IA
                    WA                KY
            WI      WI                MO
                              MT
                              NM      NM
                              NV
                              NC
                              ND
                              OH      OH
                              SC      SC
                              TX      TX
                              VA
                                      WV

McCain leads Obama in Virginia, but it isn't an insurmountable margin. Yes, Virginia hasn't gone Democratic in a very long time, but that makes it the definition of expanding the Democratic map.


by letterc on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:16:58 PM EST

Re: Great! Obama Just Expanded Map for (2.00 / 1)

sigh

We get it Obama isn't going to win because Hillary supporters say so.


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:18:19 PM EST

Re: it's called a (2.00 / 2)

HEADSUP!

Obama guys are already setting up to blame HRC for their guy's loss in the GE. The buck will stop with him, and you guys will have to iron your own shirts.


by moevaughn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:43:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it's called a (none / 0)

dude you need to go outside and take a deep breath, your hatred for a fellow democrat is disturbing.  


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:09:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (2.00 / 1)


A headsup is given out of love, not hate.
by moevaughn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:18:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

Point taken, but you also need to understand the GE hasn't even started and you are already making a prediction as if it is fact.  You don't know what is going to happen but you come here and do just that.  You need to respect the will of the voters.  They voted and she is losing, if you can't handle that then you don't belong to a website that is promoting democratic nominees.


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:24:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: respecting voters (none / 0)

I'm glad you respect the will of the voters.  I hope you mean all the voters, including the 2.5 million voters of Florida and Michigan, who voted in good faith, whose votes are legal and certified.


by moevaughn on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:36:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have a feeling that "VOTE FOR CHANGE" (2.00 / 1)

will make it harder for McCain to fight in some of these battleground states.

Obama already has a base in 48 out of the 50 states.  He just has to work on Florida and Michigan.

The good thing about the PROLONGED PRIMARY FIGHT is that Dems have registered FAR MORE Democrats in these states than Republicans have.  And now with "VOTE FOR CHANGE" that number will be even higher.  That will help downticket Dems ie the Dem for the Oregon senate seat, etc.

Obama just needs to choose a running-mate that compliments his weaknesses ie Webb, Kaine, Strickland, even Hillary.


by puma on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:19:10 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Puma

I absolutely agree with you - that this primary has been good for dems.  What I don't get is why McCain and Obama  - and even McCain and Clinton remain almost tied when this is happening.  

I'm not presenting an argument here - I'm just trying to understand it.  Why aren't dems winning in match ups against McCain?  And I mean real wins, not by a couple points - especially if we're registering all of these new voters?  


by searchforsolidarity on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:50:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

Because he is getting a free ride while they beat each other up.  When he has to start accounting for the things he says it will be a whole new ball game for whoever is the democratic nominee.


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:41:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! Obama Just Expanded Map (2.00 / 2)

Sorry, but I just gotta ask- did you even think when you wrote this diary?

If you're saying a strong Democrat should assume to get IA, WI, etc, then Hillary Clinton's not a strong Democrat. McCain polls above her in both states.

I neither found the interview you're citing on CNN.com, nor do I understand what logic you're using, if any, on this diary. I don't get how you figure these states are now "suddenly on the map" for Republicans simply because Obama's foreign affairs advisor couldn't give you a satisfactory answer on some CNN political hack show.

Following that logic, could you give me the rundown on the proper way to frame in a window? Or maybe a dissertation on Vergil's minor works, and how the Aeneid affected Roman culture? I know, it doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about here, but I figured asking you about something you're completely unfamiliar with in the course of a conversation about something different was fair game. You seem to think so.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:22:37 PM EST

Re: Great! Obama Just Expanded Map (2.00 / 1)

HELLS YEAH!!! MCCAIN RULES, OBAMA DROOLS!!! Love this diary.  


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:23:39 PM EST

Re: Great! Obama Just Expanded Map (none / 0)

Spidey Dem, I was about to HR you until I saw your sig. That said, this comment might disappear shortly, and it's too snarky for my Mojo :D


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:29:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! Obama Just Expanded Map (none / 0)

I have oversnarked myself.  I tend to do that.


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:31:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! Obama Just Expanded Map (none / 0)

Well, you actually got Mojo for it - so who knows.

You are certainly not the first to oversnark oneself.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:49:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! (none / 0)

Blue states like PA,MI,NJ,RI,MA,NH WI,OR,MN,IA are now in the Map for Republicans.

With the exception of MA and RI, all of these states routinely produce close margins -- that's nothing new. Clinton generally performs better in PA, NJ, RI, and MA -- but Obama generally wins these states as well. Obama performs much better than Clinton in MI, WI, OR, MN, IA, and WA -- however, Clinton frequently loses these states in head-to-head match-ups against McCain. Given the margins of these respective states in the previous four elections, I'd much rather have a candidate who does better with respect to the latter than with respect to the former.


by RP McMurphy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:35:17 PM EST

Re: Great! (2.00 / 1)

Don't forget California...  our Governor is supporting John McCain; plus the Latinos, and lot's of Hillary's supporter;

the most important part is the huge electoral votes that Obama will lose in the GE. Penn will not go for Obama is the GE... remember the "Bitter" comments, it pissed off the Republican more than the Hillary's supporters.

Florida - 27
Ohio - 20
Pennsylvania - 21
California (?) - 55
even South Carolina,

The Republican wants Obama to be the DEM nominee against McCain.


by SHIBAM8P on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:04:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! (none / 0)

Don't forget California...

'Nother person who's opinion we can discount. Obama is polling just as well or better than Clinton in California and both are ahead of McCain by double digits.


by RP McMurphy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:16:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! (2.00 / 1)

I put up 2 recent SUSA polling in MA and you discounted that.

but you actually believe that red states will go blue?  I mean historically red states, not swing ones - riggghhhhhttttt


by colebiancardi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:21:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! (none / 0)

but you actually believe that red states will go blue?  I mean historically red states, not swing ones - riggghhhhhttttt

Perhaps you've been living under a rock for the past 8 years, but there's this guy name George W. Bush who's gotten the GOP into a whole heap of trouble...


by RP McMurphy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:45:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! (2.00 / 2)

lets not forget it was Bill Clinton who first delivered California for us in 1992 and made it a mainstay of Democratic electoral votes, as he did with Pennsylvania. I seriously don't get how we nominated a guy with such narrow appeal.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:14:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great! Obama (2.00 / 2)

If you take all of the states tha Gore won you are 260 electoral votes and BO nees 269.  If you add NH, which is iffy since most of the polls i have seen show McCain ahead there BO would be at 264.  Still you have to find one state tha Bush won in both 2000 and 2004 that will vote Democratic in 2008.  

Right now that only state is CO and BO would have to hold onto NM or NH.  Anyone who thinks BO can win VA, Fl, or MO is kidding since McCain is way ahead in these states.  Even OH seems like a long.

So all the talk of the 50 state plan, that works great for congress, does not seem to apply to the presidental GE.

david


by giusd on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:45:58 PM EST

Re: Great! Obama Just Expanded Map for (none / 0)

Obama WILL win the Kerry states. No doubt. That's 252. He needs Ohio.

We have governors in CO, PA, OH to ensure there is no 'hanky panky'

With Strickland on the ticket, it's a done deal for Ohio.

Easy peeze.


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:23:29 PM EST

Re: Buyer remorse in CA (none / 0)

Buyer's Remorse in California? On 02/05/08, Californians voting in the state's Democratic Presidential Primary backed Hillary Clinton by a 10-point margin. In a new SurveyUSA poll conducted 05/07/08 - 05/08/08, Californians say if given the chance to vote again today, they would choose Barack Obama by a 6-point margin, 49%-43%.


by BDM on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:35:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Edwards was still on the ticket (none / 0)

So, there are a number of people who voted Edwards, who switched.  It looks like they favored Obama over Clinton.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:15:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Polls are NOT elections.. (none / 0)

For one thing, lots of busy people are almost impossible to reach on the phone.. (unless you have their cell number, which polls can't call)

but they DO vote..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:38:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MA POLLS (none / 0)

Massachusetts  Barack Obama  John McCain  Apr 23  1  51%  39%     Rasmussen  
Massachusetts  Barack Obama  John McCain  Apr 13  3  48%  46%     SurveyUSA  
Massachusetts  Barack Obama  John McCain  Mar 18  1  49%  42%     Rasmussen  
Massachusetts  Barack Obama  John McCain  Mar 16  3  47%  47%     SurveyUSA  
Massachusetts  Barack Obama  John McCain  Feb 28  3  49%  42%     SurveyUSA  
Massachusetts  Barack Obama  John McCain  Feb 17  3  48%  46%     SurveyUSA  

LATEST POLL APRIL 23
OBAMA 51
MCCAIN 39


by BDM on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:43:20 PM EST
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dates of polls (none / 0)

and difference between SUSA and Rasmussen are considerable.  Would you rely on the two you liked or look at the other four when designing your election strategy?


by 4justice on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:31:20 PM EST
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Just wondering; (none / 0)

If the sky is blue in your world, too.


by dannyinla on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:00:24 PM EST

McCain's dream (2.00 / 2)

this is what happens when the Daily Kos/Arianna Huffington wing take over the party. These guys are the people who are just too politically correct to see reality. When a Democratic candidate gets killed amongst whites and hispanics IN HIS OWN PARTY, which is generally more liberal on race than the overall populace, then there is no way he's doing any better in an electorate far more conservative than the Dem party, the general electorate.

Thinking he is going to win Virginia is pure self dilusion. Even if Kerry had gotten 100% of the black vote, he'd still have lost to Bush big there like in 2004. Kerry actually got 87 percent of the black vote there, Bush 12. Whites went to Bush 68-32. If he can't do any better, he's going to lose. Blacks made up 21 percent of the overall electorate, and make up roughly a same proportion in the state population. Unless whites don't vote, or massively shift, Obama is going to get killed there if he can't do better with whites. he is not on his way to doing that with Wright and clinging to guns.

I don't get where people get ideas of him carrying these "new states." he'd need Latinos to win Colorado, and they don't like him. OR, IA and WI are already blue states. He's gonna get killed. His map is the same as Kerry's at best. If he can't win Ohio, he loses this election. and right now, Barack McGovern's on his way to doing just that.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:12:54 PM EST

What is the basis for saying the Latinos (none / 0)

do not like him?  I haven't seen any evidence of that.  It could be that on the majority they prefer Hilary, but I haven't seen them preferring McSame over the Democratic nominee anywhere.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:16:53 PM EST
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Re: What is the basis for saying the Latinos (2.00 / 2)

Obama is not the Democratic nominee, and will not be until he has 2025, or 2209 delegates. King Hussein has not been crowned yet. Stop acting like he is. He doesn't have the delegates. Second of all, he got blown out amongst hispanics against Hillary, and considering the hispanic and black tension, this is no coincidence. Kerry only won 53 percent of the Latino vote against Bush's 44. Kerry also lost the election, and the popular vote. Kerry got 41 percent of the white vote vs. Bush's 58 percent of it. Considering how Kerry lost swing states with even a majority of Latinos, if Obama can't do better, as they clearly don't like him in a Dem primary, where they are more liberal than the general electorate, he will lose.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:56:08 PM EST
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King Obama graffiti in Honolulu high school (2.00 / 1)

Have you seen it? Evidently, Obama wrote "King Obama" into concrete around his high school.. they are still there...


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:40:53 PM EST
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I actually went and looked it up (none / 0)

Obamas ratings with Latinos are better than Kerry's were, as are quite a few other groups.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:53:19 PM EST
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Re: I actually went and looked it up (none / 0)

no they weren't, what are you talking about? they're no different, which means we lose


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:56:33 PM EST
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Show me where you found it then (none / 0)

I just saw it.

Proof or it didn't happen.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:14:22 AM EST
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